OK, unless you take your lunch on a very slow lift, in which case I'll let you off. Different folks, different strokes. Here our Gods are those who make the national demonstrators team representing Japan at Interski; the gathering every four years where national teams show off their latest skiing and teaching techniques. One rung down from those experts are the slalomers.
Downhillers aren't rated very highly because we don't have the terrain for that discipline. The rest just look wonderful on groomed slopes. Alexandra , you finish at ? There's always a lift somewhere still running till and if U time it right U don't get off the snow till well after OK, unless the lifts close at 4PM, in which case I'll let you off.
Last time I was skiing, I didn't stop until about 10pm I knew you were fitted with Duracell batteries. Fuxup, in a m vert. Personally, I just think he's trying to avoid his round. I can really write that with a straight face. Alexandra , Of course I do ask if they've had instruction, but the boozy type don't usually bother with instruction anyway, so will never get off the intermediate plateau. That sort of skier will continue to rotate, force their turns and generally be a danger to other piste users.
They don't actually want to be good skiers. Am I being unfair? Not really, after more than 30 years teaching ski-ing in lots of different resorts and a few different countries I find that weeks skied is the best guide BECAUSE it isn't subjective. Even with lots of instruction comfort level on different runs is also to some degree dependent on miles under the skis.
I have many students who can demonstrate beautiful technique on easy runs, but equperience is required to do the same of blacks, off piste, difficult snow and so on. Just today I had a teenager who said she'd done "lots" of ski-ing, insisted that she knew all about everything, and then was afraid to ski the blue of the glacier on the way down. It turned out that she had only traversed on Castleford snowdome! It didn't matter, but case in point!
Your experience sounds a bit like the very last lesson of the season that I taught in March of this year. On this otherwise beautiful spring day, when everybody was relaxed knowing that the mountain would be closing down in a couple of hours, I was assigned these two pouty 13 year old girls.
As soon as their mothers walked away, they announced to me that "they didn't need a lesson - they could ski anywhere", "they didn't want to take a lesson, private or not", "we don't want to be told what to do", "we hate skiing - we're gymnasts - our mothers are making us do this", "we both have private trainers", etc.
Deeply rotted spring slush, a dose of fatherly firmness and psychology, and a good helping of fun had them feeling very different by the end of the lesson. BTW, my SSD did give me a heads-up on these two before she made the introduction, and promised that she would be forever in my debt if I took them - grin.
Back to the main discussion I like the "weeks skied" metric. Unfortunately, at the hill where I teach, the units are usually days, not weeks. With respect to beginner, intermediate, advanced, and expert classifications, I am going to stick with what I said in the earlier thread on this topic. I still think that using a percentile and specifying a population is one of the more accurate ways to classify skiers.
Same for terms like, "powder expert", or "expert guide". Combination of two words Equipment and Experience. Helen Beaumont , Good move. Keep topping up the technique and the benefits are enormous especially if you might be ski-ing more and more in the future.
PM your answer proposes a canonical form for my question: Can a 'true expert' have a bad day? Can a "True Expert" get better? Too easy for M Coins so they put him into group 4 except the instructor didn't speak English so they put him into group 5.
So on his second week skiing he was bombing it down Aiguille Rouge whilst I was tootling along on the blues. Mind you, he had no technique as there was no instruction in his class, just follow my leader. New Topic Post Reply. All times are GMT. Snow Snow Snow! Solo Skiers v Groups - Orga Archives Lost and Found Ski Club of Great Britain To one side secret Mountain Hideout snowShops You cannot post to forums until you login You cannot read some forums until you login Read about snow conditions : snow conditions And leave your own snow report : snow report Find advice to help plan your ski holidays : ski holidays The snowHeads Ski Club : Ski Club 2.
I would love to get out there with you! Then said he had not skied this year. To each his own…. To paraphrase Justice Stewart: It is hard to define on paper or the internet …. People who can ski down expert terrain are a dime a dozen. Lots of people are looking for a notch in the belt, or something to brag about, or maybe just an endorphin rush. Or if they need me to buckle their boots. I am NOT an expert telemark skier, though one might say I have expert skills as an alpine skier.
The balance thing makes complete sense and it is easy for me to be balanced on alpine skis, with weight forward, shins pressed against the tongues of my boots. How do telemarkers keep their weight forward, stay balanced and in control? As applied to the word adept in the first definition the second definition is pretty good. Notice that expert skiing does not mean the ability to ski any terrain under any condition, there are some conditions and terrain which an expert skiier would simply not ski, it is thier expertise that would let them know it is not safe and they would be smart enough to avoid — like our recent snowboarder at Bridger.
When determining whether someone is an expert, I generally use something similar to the PSIA Level 3 skiing standards google it. It contains things like:. The whole list is pretty well done. You can go through the whole thing and check off what you are able to do and what you need to work on. This is a great topic. I have always assumed I am a middle of the road 8 but I feel I fluctuate within that 8.
I went out to Belle yesterday and had an ok day. Visibility was bad. Right from the get-go I was in a tentative mind-set and really had to work to stay centered. Fast forward to this morning and I read this post before going out. I watched a couple of the PSIA lvl 3 videos and realized that my problem was all mental. I had no aggression whatsoever, I was tentative. I went out today with a different attitude and felt like I skied really well.
Advanced yes, Expert no. It just amazed me how important the mental attitude is in making a difference in how well I ski. I agree an aggressive mindset is so important, holding back makes it harder and my experience suggests makes skiing in some circumstances more dangerous. Jul 26, 45, 13, 1, An advanced skier can ski everything on a trail map in an Australian resort in all conditions.
The technique and control may not always be there but they can get down in reasonable time. An expert skier doesn't need a map. Oct 20, 12, 12, Skill is inversely proportional to claims of skill. CarveMan said:. Graeme First Runs Endless Winter. Sep 25, 4, 5 0 67 Eden. I would be somewhere in the sublevels by these definitions, but when I ski with someone who truly is an expert, I am definitely humbled and nowhere near that level.
Aug 8, 3, 10, Brisbane. Good post BoofHead. Jul 29, 5, 49 Hakuba, Japan. Visit site. Last edited by a moderator: Dec 26, Oct 26, 73, 66, 1, Mountains.
Complete all these tasks with aesthetically pleasing style in ungroomed crud and you are an "expert" Last edited by a moderator: Nov 14, Snorkler Part of the Furniture.
Jan 1, 18, Melbourne, Vic. I can probably say that I sit on the edge of a complex system, just on the edge of chaos pushing it to the point I could just go. Mamabear said:. Enjoy Like any sport, I don't think a skier can transition to "expert" without total dedication and a high level of fitness. Jul 11, 74, 17, 3, Kelowna, BC. At the risk of getting flamed, Personally, I'm over the whole "you must continually improve or you're not serious" type of thing Main Street, I believe we all do that, getting out there and enjoying ourselves.
You don't need to continually improve, but if I want to explore more terrain and snow conditions, I cannot have the " proper fun " unless I improve my skills. First time I skied in deep powder, I was clueless. That was after skiing all runs in resorts comfortably and thinking how great I was. I charged in there, not able to do anything.
Then I remembered I read and saw on video to let your ankles to do the work rather than trying to carve and sort of " punch " your arms in front of you and it slowly started coming together. While my boarding mates were having great time, yelling at me: some skier you are! Last edited by a moderator: Nov 11, Damian, you live in Japan, and running a business there,right? Can you pretty much go and ride very often the whole season?
This comes down to using the board as a tool, rather than a toy. I can think of a few people that I tow frequently. And like an ex-smoker, I grumble about snowboards. It will be interesting to see what I've lost after more than a year of not skiing and how long it will take me to overcome the mental barrier about not injuring myself.
Guess I might take one or two lessons in Japan my last lesson was when I was Oh well, I will just go for it. Blast down the slope fast, that will be the best way to overcome any fears! James B One of Us. Aug 17, 95 1 0. Level 12, goes out after a liquid lunch and still doen't fall down. Reactions: hongomania. BofSki One of Us. Mar 8, 4, 67 Bunbury WA. James B said:. Loister Hard Yards. Sep 29, 3 0. An intermediate skier is someone who thinks they are an advanced skier An advanced skier is someone who thinks they are an expert An expert is someone who hasn't thought about it for years.
Go take a lesson, you may find your runs go from awesome to mind blowingly good.
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